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greetings to all the lovers of the

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hello citizens and welcome to

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i'm jason mcclellan thanks for hanging

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out with me

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you and i have talked a lot this year

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about the united states government and

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its seemingly renewed interest in ufos

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last year around this time many in the

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ufo community were anxiously awaiting

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the passage of the intelligence

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authorization act for fiscal year 2021

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which contained a request for the

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director of national intelligence to

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prepare a report assessing the current

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ufo situation

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after bouncing around in various bills

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the intelligence authorization act for

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fiscal year 2021 eventually passed as

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part of the fiscal year 2021 omnibus

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appropriations bill signed into law on

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december 27th by then president donald

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trump

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that started the mandated 180-day

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countdown the specified time frame

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provided by the senate select committee

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on intelligence for the ufo report to be

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issued by the director of national

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intelligence

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after the dni assembled the report an

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unclassified version was released to the

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the unclassified version of this report

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titled preliminary assessment

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unidentified aerial phenomena was

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published by the office of the director

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of national intelligence on the

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afternoon of june 25th

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this ufo report concludes in a logical

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and predictable way

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by pointing out that it's not easy to

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study ufos even harder to identify ufos

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and any further official study requires

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more resources

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one of the sources of information for

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this report was a department of defense

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task force called the unidentified

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aerial phenomena task force which was

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approved on august 4th 2020 by deputy

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and led by the department of the navy

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with oversight by the office of the

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undersecretary of defense for

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intelligence and security according to

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the department of defense the uap task

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force exists to quote improve its

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understanding of and gain insight into

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the nature and origins of uaps end quote

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and its mission is to quote detect

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analyze and catalog uaps that could

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in the dni's ufo report we learned that

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the uap task force's long-term goal is

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to quote widen the scope of its work to

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include additional uap events documented

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quote going even further on the day the

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report was published for public

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consumption deputy secretary of defense

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kathleen hicks issued a memo directing

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the office of the under secretary of

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quote develop a plan to formalize the

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mission currently performed by the uaptf

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the plan should one establish procedures

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to synchronize collection reporting and

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commands and with the dni and other

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relevant interagency partners all

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these processes to ensure that the uaptf

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uap observations within two weeks of an

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occurrence in quote well that follow-on

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on november 23rd the department of

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announce the formation of the airborne

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synchronization group also known as its

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this uap task force successor will quote

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department and the broader u.s

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to provide oversight of the aoi msg the

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deputy secretary also directed the under

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secretary of defense for intelligence

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and security to lead an airborne object

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further details on the aoi msg director

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so there it is a more permanent

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it's exactly what the dni's ufo report

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said the long-term mission of the task

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force is and it's exactly the plan laid

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out by deputy secretary of defense

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kathleen hicks back in june so it

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shouldn't surprise anybody who has been

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following this however the announcement

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of the aoi msg seemed to catch many off

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guard and even prompted mass concern

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community have been clamoring for

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the government and the military to take

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ufo seriously and to establish something

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better funded with more resources at its

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disposal than a temporary task force to

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explore ufos

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yes but the dissatisfaction at the

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establishment of the aoi msg has emerged

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because there's another government ufo

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project in the works that seemingly

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caters more to the desires of the ufo

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community in early november senator

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amendment to the national defense

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authorization act to establish and quote

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the working title of this office has

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since changed to the anomaly

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office which gives it a more playful and

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nerdy acronym astro

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it's not a simple preference for the

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astro acronym over the aoi msg

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initialism that has summoned the ufo

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community so strongly against aoy msg

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what astro could be the language in the

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amendment explains that astra will

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intelligence authorization act for

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fiscal year 2021 the senate select

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committee on intelligence asked for

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plans and procedures to be established

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for inter-agency and inter-department

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the language in the new amendment

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explains that the plan was for astro to

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replace the uap task force

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and here's what really has ufo fans

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giving preference to astro

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like the dni's ufo report from earlier

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this year astro would be required to

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issue reports of its findings including

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unclassified reports which means the

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public might get to see what the ufo

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astro would go even further having

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actual field investigators to

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it would utilize outside expertise

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department of energy and so on

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broad in its approach and certainly more

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so let's get back to the negative

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reactions by summoning the ufo community

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pentagon ufo project called the advanced

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aerospace threat identification program

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he and christopher mellon a former

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for intelligence are the two driving

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forces behind all the recent public ufo

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these two individuals have engaged in a

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mission to lobby members of congress to

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their disapproval after aoi msg was

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announced lu elizondo tweeted quote

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excited about the recent pentagon

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announcement of a new uap group please

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usdi the under secretary of defense for

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intelligence is precisely the same

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organization that has underplayed and

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nowhere is their requirement to provide

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given that elements still exist in the

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pentagon who are actively underplaying

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the significance of this topic this is

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akin to giving an alcoholic the key and

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control to the liquor cabinet

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if you want to maintain uap ufo secrecy

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this is exactly how you do it end quote

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he goes on to say that the formation of

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aoi msg is a direct and blatant attempt

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to circumvent and undermine the senate

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and those behind the astro amendment

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chris mellon echoed some of these

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concerns in an open letter to

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representative ruben galleo who

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introduced the initial legislation to

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establish a permanent ufo office now

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referred to as astro

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in this letter mellon states quote as a

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that the deputy secretary of defense

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would assign the uap function to an

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authority contracting command or

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indeed the inability of usdi to engage

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effectively on the uap issue is why so

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little has changed or been accomplished

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since 2004 end quote

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in addition to the disapproving

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commentary provided by elizondo and

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mellon dozens of passionate and

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exasperated members of the ufo community

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have been criticizing the aoi msg and

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with phone calls emails and messages on

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social media urging them to support the

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gila brand amendment so that's

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essentially where we are

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an important thing to keep in mind is

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that at this stage we in the general

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public

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really don't know what either of these

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ufo projects would do or what the

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results of their effort would be

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we know generally what the function of

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aoi msg is but as of the date i'm

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recording this episode we're still

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waiting to hear the additional details

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promised in coming weeks like the name

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of the aoi msg director its

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organizational structure authorities and

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resourcing

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and as for astro we have to wait on that

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one too

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sure at this point we've read various

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versions of the amendment

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and it's bounced around a bit as these

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things tend to do the bill it's attached

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to did pass in the house of

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representatives

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it still has to pass in the senate

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then it needs to be signed into law by

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the president there are still changes

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that could be made to the language of

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the amendment so even if it does pass

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and become law we don't really know what

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the final thing will look like most

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everything right now related to these

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two projects aoi msg and astro is based

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on assumption

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it seems extremely short-sighted to go

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all in and champion one of these and

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admonish the other

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or promote both or oppose both

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we just don't know enough about either

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to know what real benefits or real

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adverse effects could come from these

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projects

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in the end these are both government

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projects and we've seen how government

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ufo projects in the past have played out

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recent ufo champion and lobbyist luella

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zondo was the head of a multi-year

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government ufo program that according to

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him never ended and even as the head of

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this project

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he got frustrated and quit because he

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didn't think he was being taken

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seriously and because he didn't like how

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government projects operate and the most

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recent government ufo project the uap

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task force and the dni's ufo report

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plainly illustrated the frustrating and

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largely impossible exercise of trying to

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investigate ufos

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especially within the government the

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real driving reason behind the recent

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apparent increase in the government's

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ufo interest is politics for whatever

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reason luella elizondo and chris mellon

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took it upon themselves to use their

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government connections to get people

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fired up not to mention concerned and

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alarmed about an apparent recent

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dramatic increase in ufos penetrating

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restricted airspace and harassing

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members of the military mellon is

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responsible for the language that was

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used in the senate select committee on

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intelligence's ufo report request last

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year and he and elizondo have plugged

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away at briefing members of congress as

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well as participating in countless

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podcasts radio television and

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documentary interviews

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this is why almost everything we hear or

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read in media reports press releases and

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public statements about recent

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government ufo interests or efforts

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sounds very familiar

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the same language the same phrases and

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the same issues are regurgitated time

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and time again it's politics and i get

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that that's how you play the game if

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you're looking to accomplish something

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inside the government

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but let's step back and think about why

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we should be happy sad or indifferent

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about both or either of these new

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government ufo projects

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on the surface both aoy msg and astro

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address one of the primary issues within

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the us government related to ufos and

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that's establishing procedures for

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interagency data sharing

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that's a good thing

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both groups add more ears and eyes

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within the government looking at the ufo

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issue complete with access to valuable

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government and military data that the

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public doesn't have access to that's

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also probably good

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astra plans to establish an advisory

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committee of 20 members which kind of

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looks like a national security council

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or for the conspiracy folks an mj-12

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type group

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i find it interesting that astro as part

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of its scientific plan wants scientists

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to contemplate and speculate about

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various ufo-related topics like possible

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propulsion systems and the effects of

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human proximity to ufos

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if this sounds familiar it should

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the recent government ufo program atip

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produced dozens of report on these exact

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topics

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so it doesn't give me a lot of

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confidence that a newly proposed

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government ufo program isn't aware of

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what has already been done by other

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government ufo programs

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a potential positive for astro is that

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it plans at least for now to publish

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unclassified reports which means that

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there's a possibility that the public

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could see some of what the project is up

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to

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however we've just seen an unclassified

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report from our government ufo group so

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there's obviously potential for more of

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the same

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aoi msg on the other hand has no

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announced plans yet with regards to any

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sort of reporting and louis lozando and

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chris mellon were quick to ridicule and

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attack the program because of this

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on november 29th travis tritton from

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military.com asked pentagon spokesperson

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john kirby about aoi msg and the

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accusations from elizondo and mellon

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that it was an attempt by the pentagon

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to be less transparent on the ufo issue

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kirby responded explaining that aoy msg

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will continue to be as transparent as

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possible

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it is really designed to help us better

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coordinate the reporting processes um

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the actual reports themselves and the

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analysis of those reports so that um

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rather than uh

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getting them sort of piecemeal and ad

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hoc as we've been getting them from uh

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from from the services um this is a way

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to coordinate the the input so that we

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can uh there's a common set of

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parameters for how to report them and to

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analyze them and then to assess what

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we've got and not all

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uh reports are going to manifest

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themselves in something that we consider

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a national security threat um so this is

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a chance for us to to be a much more

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organized in the way we process these

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reports

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and as we have we will certainly

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continue to be as transparent as we can

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about these phenomena

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and and the impact that they may or may

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not be having

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on our ability to operate

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trenton also asked about any plans to

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release any information to the public

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but kirby noted that big thing that

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prevents the public from seeing most

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things related to government and ufos

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and that's national security

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i don't have a specific report to to

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announce today that on any kind of a

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frequent basis that we would do but i i

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can assure you that our intention is to

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be as transparent about uh this

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phenomena as as we can again try this

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understanding that um

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uh that

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that there'll be national security

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considerations that we have to keep in

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mind but we'll be as transparent as we

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can but not i don't want to leave you

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with the impression that there'll be

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sort of a a regular drum beat of uh you

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know of some kind of report that uh that

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gets posted on the website you know

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every couple months this is always going

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to be an issue when it comes to

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government ufo programs

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when you're dealing with military

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encounters military systems and military

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personnel there's lots of classified

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stuff there and lots of national

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security considerations that are always

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at play

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considering the nature of government

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programs and the nature of ufos

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government ufo projects aren't really

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ideal and certainly aren't where we

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should be looking and hoping for answers

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to ufo mysteries i keep seeing activists

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being overly dramatic and using

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hyperbole to create a sense of urgency

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and even a necessity to support

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government ufo efforts some are choosing

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to proudly announce that they are quote

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fighting to end a cover-up end quote and

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i'm not sure exactly why they think the

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establishment of yet another government

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ufo program will end any sort of

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cover-up related to supposed government

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knowledge about ufos

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a government ufo report came out just

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five months ago very clearly showing

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that yes the government knows ufos are

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real but they don't know what they are

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even luella zondo stated in a december

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1st article published by political news

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outlet the hill quote we've had 70 years

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to try to figure the ufo problem out as

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a government while keeping it in the

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halls of secrecy and we haven't come any

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closer to figuring it out end quote

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so although some like to think elizondo

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and or the government knew all sorts of

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ufo secrets lou makes it clear that the

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government is just as much in the dark

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as everybody else when it comes to aoi

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msg and astro again it's kind of silly

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to pick sides and champion one over the

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other at this stage in the game

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they're both department of defense

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projects

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and again

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pretty much everything associated with

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these is assumption at this point

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although the amendment language

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associated with astro says the project

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will replace the uap task force which

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has already been replaced by aoi msg

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we don't necessarily know that both

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projects can't coexist

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and if they do coexist

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astro could potentially benefit from aoy

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msg as a more streamlined source for

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information

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but we just don't know

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and i guess i should mention just how

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strange it is to see people passionately

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and blindly urging support for a bill

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simply because it has a small amendment

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related to ufos

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the bill is massive and contains all

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sorts of items related to defense

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projects and military spending the

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passage of the bill has large

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implications that affect so much more

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than the desire of people interested in

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ufos to get a few more government

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reports that say

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we receive lots of military ufo reports

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we identified some but we couldn't

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identify others

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i'm not kidding there's so much in this

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massive bill

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including breeding dogs for use in

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combat it's more than a little

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self-centered and short-sighted to

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passionately advocate for a defense

567
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spending bill to be passed simply

568
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because you personally like one tiny

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amendment in that bill i'm definitely

570
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not saying that i don't want astro to

571
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move forward because i do

572
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as i frequently say when it comes to

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something as strange and mysterious as

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ufos i think it's great for people to

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try a wide variety of approaches to

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better understand ufos

577
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all the things all the time

578
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ufos isn't a sport

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you don't need to pick your favorite

580
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team become a die-hard fanatic and trash

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talk opposing teams

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multiple approaches can and should

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coincide

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and something that gets easily forgotten

585
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for some reason is that the military and

586
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the government already investigate ufos

587
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lobbyists ufo activists and others try

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to drum up fear doom and gloom by making

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grand statements about how urgent it is

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that the government look into ufos

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because of the danger they pose to

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members of the military commercial

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planes and everybody else and these

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statements alarm members of congress who

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quickly become concerned after being

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told that nobody is doing anything about

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ufos when in fact

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that's what the military does and has

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always done

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when there's an unknown and restricted

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airspace the military tries to

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communicate with and or intercept the

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unknown some intercept attempts are

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successful others aren't

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when commercial or private pilots or air

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traffic controllers detect an unknown

607
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attempts are made to communicate with

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that unknown and in some cases fighter

609
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jets are scrambled to intercept

610
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again some intercept attempts are

611
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,480
successful others aren't the faa also

612
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investigates these incidents

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ufos aren't new

614
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they've been seen as long as humans have

615
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been around

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ufos are nothing new to pilots to the

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military

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they're not sitting around scratching

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their heads because they don't have a

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government ufo project to tell them what

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to do

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ultimately it's members of congress who

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were unaware that ufos even exist and

624
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who have been led to believe that this

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is somehow a new and urgent thing

626
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this isn't a case of the military being

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helpless and seeking assistance from

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congress

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the military didn't ask for this it's

630
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simply an issue pushed on politicians by

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lobbyists with aoy msg and astro

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either one could be considered a win for

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the ufo community

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active government ufo projects meaning

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eyes in the military and government

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actively looking specifically at the ufo

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00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:26,799
subject

638
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that's good and with either there's more

639
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,240
potential for some official information

640
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,240
to be released to the public

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00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:36,240
that info is either shared with us or it

642
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isn't

643
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if it's not it's no different than what

644
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we've gotten from the government for

645
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decades

646
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but of course any government ufo project

647
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has the potential to be catastrophic for

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ufos

649
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previous government ufo projects have

650
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started strong with lots of mystery and

651
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,600
speculation but ultimately concluded

652
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that ufos aren't a threat and nothing

653
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more can be learned by attempting to

654
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:59,520
study them so ufos get put back in the

655
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,480
closet

656
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:02,159
but you know what let's be cautiously

657
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:03,840
optimistic about this recent ufo

658
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:05,360
excitement within the government and see

659
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,720
where it goes

660
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:08,320
there's real potential for some good

661
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,039
science here and for improved policies

662
00:23:16,220 --> 00:23:13,760
procedures and mindsets when it comes to

663
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:16,230
the overall subject of ufos

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well citizens that's gonna do it for

665
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this episode you can find more episodes

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of unknown on all the major podcast

667
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,720
platforms and you can always find this

668
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,080
show and our other shows at

669
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rogueplanet.tv because unknown is a

670
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rogue planet production rogueplanet.tv

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00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,880
is your home for all the strange thanks

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again for hanging out today i'm jason

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mcclellan do us a favor friends always

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treat the ufo subject with the cautious

675
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,480
and responsible skepticism it deserves

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question everything have the courage to

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form your own opinions keep truth as the

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focus of your quest even if the truth

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00:24:01,380 --> 00:23:57,039
conflicts with your opinions and of

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